(Released November 13, 2025)

My internationally known sister, Clarissa, and I had an opportunity to talk with Bonni Stachowiak on her Teaching in Higher Ed podcast about grief and teaching. It was an opportunity to share our griefs, welcome them, and talk about the ways we live around them.

I invite you to take some time to listen to our conversation.

Teaching, Learning, and the Lessons of Grief

I’d love to hear your thoughts . . .